Rudy Giuliani Says Trump Shouldn’t Testify Because “Our Recollection Keeps Changing”

The latest in a legal mess.

Erik Mcgregor/Pacific Press via ZUMA Wire

Fight disinformation: Sign up for the free Mother Jones Daily newsletter and follow the news that matters.

Rudy Giuliani is supposed to be on cleanup duty, but he keeps making a mess. In an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week,” the president’s personal attorney explained that it might be a bad idea for Trump to testify to special counsel Robert Mueller because his client’s story kept changing:

Giuliani was responding to questions specifically about the Trump team’s changing narrative regarding a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Russian nationals, as well as the president’s role in drafting a statement on behalf of his son, Don Jr., which falsely implied that the meeting was primarily about “adoptions.” Initially Trump counsel Jay Sekulow said the president hadn’t been involved in the statement; subsequently the Washington Post reported he’d helped dictate the statement; and on Sunday the New York Times reported that—per a memo drafted by the president’s lawyers—Trump had written the statement himself. As my colleague David Corn explained yesterday, the most recent revelation about the Trump Tower meeting is a big deal because it undercuts Don Jr.’s own testimony to Congress.

Not being able to keep a story straight doesn’t seem to be so much of a legal defense as a political one. Giuliani also sought to downplay the Mueller probe, saying that “apart from a couple guilty pleas nobody’s really been convicted yet.” 

So far the investigation has resulted in the indictment of 19 people, three Russian companies, and five guilty pleas—including former national security advisor Michael Flynn and former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort.

DONALD TRUMP & DEMOCRACY

Mother Jones was founded to do things differently in the aftermath of a political crisis: Watergate. We stand for justice and democracy. We reject false equivalence. We go after, and go deep on, stories others don’t. And we’re a nonprofit newsroom because we knew corporations and billionaires would never fund the journalism we do. Our reporting makes a difference in policies and people’s lives changed.

And we need your support like never before to vigorously fight back against the existential threats American democracy and journalism face. We’re running behind our online fundraising targets and urgently need all hands on deck right now. We can’t afford to come up short—we have no cushion; we leave it all on the field.

Please help with a donation today if you can—even just a few bucks helps. Not ready to donate but interested in our work? Sign up for our Daily newsletter to stay well-informed—and see what makes our people-powered, not profit-driven, journalism special.

payment methods

DONALD TRUMP & DEMOCRACY

Mother Jones was founded to do things differently in the aftermath of a political crisis: Watergate. We stand for justice and democracy. We reject false equivalence. We go after, and go deep on, stories others don’t. And we’re a nonprofit newsroom because we knew corporations and billionaires would never fund the journalism we do. Our reporting makes a difference in policies and people’s lives changed.

And we need your support like never before to vigorously fight back against the existential threats American democracy and journalism face. We’re running behind our online fundraising targets and urgently need all hands on deck right now. We can’t afford to come up short—we have no cushion; we leave it all on the field.

Please help with a donation today if you can—even just a few bucks helps. Not ready to donate but interested in our work? Sign up for our Daily newsletter to stay well-informed—and see what makes our people-powered, not profit-driven, journalism special.

payment methods

We Recommend

Latest

Sign up for our free newsletter

Subscribe to the Mother Jones Daily to have our top stories delivered directly to your inbox.

Get our award-winning magazine

Save big on a full year of investigations, ideas, and insights.

Subscribe

Support our journalism

Help Mother Jones' reporters dig deep with a tax-deductible donation.

Donate